March for Life Statement on Planned Parenthood’s Election Reaction

 

Jeanne Mancini’s statement on Planned Parenthood’s reaction to election results —

“Abortion proponents are working passionately to assure that taxpayers will continue to pay for abortion via the nation’s largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood.  They are clearly not understanding or listening to the American people who have a consensus on life issues.

 

Planned Parenthood annually performs over 320,000 abortions a year subsidized by taxpayers. The non-profit spent $30 million to help abortion advocates run for office.  They did not win a race. The American people rejected the radical, abortion until birth position, as they have consistently done.  Eight out of ten Americans agree that abortion should be limited to – at most – to the first three months of pregnancy. The American people also overwhelmingly reject taxpayer funding of abortion.”

 

>>>> Click HERE for Marist polling data.

 

  • Kristen Kammerer

    This is not true. Federal money doesn’t pay for any abortions.

    • Beth

      Any money funneled into PP can be used for abortions even if it is not labeled as abortion money. How PP uses the lump of money they get is untraceable since money is fungible.

    • Texpal

      Even if they earmark the Federal Funds not to be applied directly, by indirectly being applied to other operational expenditures, those funds support abortion.

      • Kristen Kammerer

        I see why you make that jump. However, they are raising other money to cover the abortion costs. If there was no other money coming in then it would be easy to see that the federal funds are coming in and obviously paying for abortion fees. Let’s say that you are correct and the only money PP gets is federal funds, then it would also be true that the money is used for mostly anti- abortion efforts (birth control). It is a fact that birth control is the most effective way to decrease abortion.

        • raisinbread

          But, pro lifers don’t believe in birth control. They believe in ignorance, shaming and blaming.

          • Texpal

            Are you sure about that? Do you have any proof? I and my wife are Pro Lifers, and have in the past (since we are now past child bearing age) utilized birth control. She quit the pills long long ago as looking at the adverse effects we chose to utilize condoms. We have 2 beautiful children and are very content in our stance, as most pro life people are. Children in the womb have feelings and to harm them is murder, therefore my tax dollars should not be given to any organization that provides such horrendous services.

          • raisinbread

            I come from a catholic upbringing and huge extended catholic family. So, yes, I am uncomfortably SURE about that. They don’t “believe” in birth control. That doesn’t mean they don’t use it. They call themselves “pro lifers.”

            The people I referred to in my comment were the general republican “pro-lifers.” And in general, they are the “christian” right and who make up the majority of the so-called Pro-Lifers.

            You proved my point about the rest of my comment. The shaming, blaming and ignorance. You already discredited your “stance” by stating that there are “children in the womb.” Now, do you care more about children or your tax dollars? I can’t tell… all you did was smugly sum up your judgmental views.

          • Texpal

            The catholic bible 101 has the following:
            http://www.catholicbible101.com/abortion.htm
            God states that he knew us before we were formed in the womb. Read the BIBLE – Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth…..

          • raisinbread

            I don’t care about any of that fantasy stuff. It’s all bull, and people like you cherry-pick from the Bible to fit your own agenda. Also, when a conversation starts to show facts, logic and reason, people like you panic and throw the bible at folks. Rejected.

            I don’t believe in religion. I also don’t believe people should terminate pregnancies for convenience. I also believe a pregnancy should never be terminated after the first trimester UNLESS the mother’s health or life is at risk. But you know what? I don’t believe I or anyone else has the RIGHT to tell anyone else what they should do. In other words, it’s wrong to VOTE against options. If you or I don’t want an abortion, well, then, we don’t get an abortion! But some of you hard-core anti-abortion people are worse than an abortion. You don’t have the right to decide what women should do. Many Pro lifers have shamed women who have had no medical choice but to abort (doctor’s orders) and you still demonize her.

            Then there’s you people who believe it’s fine to abort as long as the woman got pregnant from rape or incest. Well… is it a baby or isn’t it?? Make up your minds.

            If you’re going to throw more bible crap at me, skip it… not interested.

          • Texpal

            I was not the one to interject religion into the conversation, but since you did by stating that you are catholic I referenced your bible for its stance on the subject. Very similar to mine.
            Again to my original point, I do not want my tax dollars going to organizations that perform abortions. Plain and simple any federal funds that are given to those organizations supplements the abortion process. It is not my, nor my wife’s responsibility to pay for them nor anyone that feels that abortion is wrong.

          • raisinbread

            Sure… but other tax dollars are used towards you and your wife… and everyone else in the country… because that’s how taxes work. It’s amazing that people pick out this one pretty insignificant amount (and as Kristen, above, already pointed out, it’s not even Federal funds) to gripe about. What about the many people without children who have paid taxes for their local public schools for 60+ years? Should they? I mean, they don’t have kids, so why should they? Of course they should, it’s for the good of humanity to educate kids in your community.

            I think you could find other, definitely more significant issues in your life than to gripe about not wanting your tiny tax dollars going to abortions (which, sorry, just isn’t happening). For instance, do you or your wife do anything to make sure people aren’t discriminated against for being a minority or gay person? Or, because you’d like to force all pregnant women to carry to term, do you and your wife help to take care of the actual babies born; to make sure they’re fed, clothed and educated? Or do you rather hold the republican view of cutting all programs that do those things? See how much goes into it? Not everyone can plan our families like you and I have obviously had the luxury of doing. So it’s wrong to judge and vote against people being able to make their own choices.

          • Texpal

            Yes we have worked with a pregnancy center, and also an adoption agency. Why can’t Planned Parenthood make it without Federal Funds? They are “supposedly” a 501(c)(3) like churches and other non-profits that do not provide abortions. Should the Federal Government dump millions of taxpayer funds into these also?

          • raisinbread

            You do know that PP has all types of services, right? It isn’t about abortion and they don’t promote abortion. They promote health, whole health and the many variables involved. It’s disingenuous and cherry picking to focus on abortion, as if there is only one reason women get an abortion.

            This exchange has become tiresome. I’m not changing your views and you’re certainly not telling me anything new. So, I’ll leave it at that.

          • Texpal

            I certainly do know that PP does provide other services. If they didn’t provide abortions, I wouldn’t mind as much some taxpayer dollars going to them, which I would think would be significantly less if in fact they didn’t perform those abortions.
            Like you said, at this point we probably will not change our opinions, but I would encourage you to read those…….
            Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

          • raisinbread

            And i encourage you to read this post from a woman named Cait Girard (you can find her on Facebook, which I do not have, but this story was posted elsewhere as well). Here is her quote, and I hope you keep this in mind as you demonize “abortion,” because you don’t know one single woman’s story:

            From Cait Girard:

            “I am very thankful that after learning that my daughter had passed away in utero at 16 weeks, I was given the option to have an ABORTION to spare me the pain of carrying her until my body decided to go into labor.
            Oh, and that other time that I had an ABORTION, was when baby A, of my twin sons, developed an infection and died inside of me at 20 weeks and I signed paperwork saying that I was ABORTING two babies just weeks before the legal cut off in Virginia, knowing full well that they could not save baby B, but also knowing that I was at risk of going septic with every passing minute.
            So I am thankful for that. I’m thankful for that right. And I’m thankful that I know that “abortion” is a term used for MANY types of termination of pregnancy, but they all fall under the same right.
            Oh, and also…NO ONE IS SMILING AFTER THEIR ABORTION.”

          • Harley

            This is a miscarriage, not an elective abortion. When women miscarry, they have a procedure done a D&C or D&E – not an abortion. It’s called a D&C (dilation and curettage) if it’s in the first trimester or a D&E (dilation and evacuation) if it’s in the second trimester. These are extremely common, and while they are physically painful and emotionally heartbreaking, it is NOT an abortion. It is ridding your body of an already dead or unviable fetus. Abortion involves a live fetus.

          • Texpal

            Thanks for clearing that up, as I read what she had posted, I wasn’t sure that abortion was the right position in those cases. If in fact a Doctor says that a woman’s life is in danger, I have no problem with the procedure as long as the woman is good with it. I have heard of women that the Doctors have given them that diagnosis and chosen not to abort. Brave women there, that know their maker and the maker of all…..

          • raisinbread

            Like Harley, I think you misunderstood Cait’s story. Her point was that people judge her saying she had “abortions,” when they don’t know what they’re talking about. Also, her point was that because the procedure isn’t illegal, she and her doctors have the freedom they should to decide these very important hard issues together, and not have to be concerned that the life-saving procedures will fall under “abortions,” like Pence and Trump would like.

          • Texpal

            I do not believe either Mr. Trump nor Mr. Pence would classify the removal of dead tissue as an abortion, but rather the D&C or D&E procedures, which have always been legal. These lawful procedures pre-date Roe vs Wade which was predicated upon a lie and is the destruction od “live tissue” which comprises a living being.
            That being said, how did those people that Cait claims are judging her find out about her personal medical procedures? I would suspect that she misspoke and said that she had an abortion and did not explain or name the procedures properly.

          • raisinbread

            You’ll have to look up her full story for that info. What I showed you was just a snippet after she was fed up.

            Trump, maybe.. I actually think he’s just an idiot, doesn’t care one way or the other, and will remain ignorant of the whole female health thing and just do what he’s told her should on that subject. He doesn’t care enough about babies or kids to even have changed ONE diaper of ANY of his own kids’. And, he’s quite proud to admit that. Pence… he’s one evil SOB and believes women and their doctors should be jailed for even natural miscarriages. You can find that info from his state, too.

            But anyway… I’m done here. Peace.

          • Texpal

            Raisinbread, I know you said you were done here, but it looks like those prenatal services are a farce, so I just wanted to make you aware.

            http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/01/24/investigation-planned-parenthood-lies-about-offering-prenatal-care-n2276138?utm_content=buffer9f5b6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

            Peace,
            Texpal

          • raisinbread

            I am indeed done. But I’ll leave you with this, which is a fact based site. Please be mindful of what your sources are when trying to make your points. Also, you can call your local PP and several others to ask about their prenatal and other services. It is not a “farce” at all, about prenatal care. As with any other healthcare place, some places have full services while their partners do not, and rather refer them elsewhere. I can tell you that a dear friend of my niece used PP in her NC community for prenatal care to carry her rapist’s baby to term, and she used their adoption referrals, too. They took excellent care of her physically as well as emotionally. Please read the FactCheck.org site as well as other factual sites as you can:

            http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/planned-parenthoods-services/

            Quick excerpt:

            “Some services it provided in addition to abortions were:

            4.5 million tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections
            3.6 million contraception related services
            935,573 cancer screenings including breast exams and Pap tests
            1.1 million pregnancy tests and prenatal services”

            And I truly am done so any response will not be seen by me. Thanks!

          • Je

            A “spontaneous abortion” is a miscarriage. An “elective abortion” is the removal of a living fetus. The sad loss of several babies by Cait did not involve elective abortions. Nor did I read in her story as you presented it where people were harshly judging her because of her pregnancy losses and the medical procedures required, which she seems to think fall under Roe-v-Wade. They do not, since they do not involve the removal of a living fetus. Even if Roe-v-Wade were overturned, this sort of medical procedure would not become illegal. It never has been illegal. It is unfortunate that Cait herself, as you have quoted her story, seems to misunderstand the difference or that she is being judged for loosing her babies under such heartbreaking situations. Most pro-lifers would not do that. Oh, and… two of my college roommates were laughing and smiling after their abortions and laugh about it to this day. But I love them anyway.

          • Harley

            Nobody here is demonizing miscarriages, raisinbread. It’s not a mother’s CHOICE to miscarry. It is a mother’s CHOICE to abort a live fetus. You’ve provided a completely irrelevant story to talk about people demonizing women who’ve had abortions.

          • raisinbread

            My point in sharing Cait’s post was to show that she had been severely judged by ignorant people… “pro lifers.” She’s fully aware that it wasn’t abortions she was having.

            I am ALSO aware of what is an abortion and what is not, which is why I put quotation marks around the word abortion in my post introducing Cait’s post.

            Please, people, READ posts thoroughly before commenting.

          • Erica Wilker

            Thank you

          • Erica Wilker

            But! The baby had already passed away!!! There’s the difference! She wasn’t intentionally killing her child.
            Oh, and also…”No one is smiling after their abortion” may be true but I have seen many a celebrity promoting abortion as a “good”thing! There are rare exceptions, when the mothers life is in danger but those are very rare. Why would you want to allow murder to be such a common thing?!? PS I have known several friends who have chosen more selfless options to an abortion.

          • Suzu M

            Again, a misrepresentation of what Pro-lifers think about abortion.
            Please don’t assume, just get the facts.

          • Suzu M

            Phew.
            Meanwhile, keep up on the news…you might be finding out that PP doesn’t quite live up to all they claim. As PP staff are coming out ‘of the closet’ confessing the truth of what’s been going on inside those clinics. It’s not as pleasant and heartwarming as people tend to think.

          • Suzu M

            Except that….you omitted this fact. Paying for your community children’s education is not morally wrong. Abortion KILLS someone and harms the mother. Therefore it IS morally wrong, religious or not.

            And please note how many times you have ‘JUDGED’ during these conversations. That would be called hypocritical, religious or not.

            Like many others, you have a misunderstanding of what the Republican Party stands for.

          • Je

            Please, for the sake of clear thinking, stop assuming that all pro-lifers fit your pre-conceived profile. Some fit your notions, most do not. And as I stated previously, if something has a genetic make-up, it’s own DNA distinct from anyone else’s, it isn’t the woman’s body that’s being aborted and killed, it’s a unique human being being killed. She’s not having her appendix removed, she’s having a distinct human removed.

          • raisinbread

            You should read my comments again. I NEVER said “all pro lifers.” My exact words were “Many pro lifers.”

          • Suzu M

            Not.

          • Je

            So, what is in the womb? Possums? Goldfish? Car parts? No woman ever became pregnant and gave birth to a cow. Like comes from like.

          • raisinbread

            What an idiotic comment. What’s in the womb is first a group of cells called the embryo, which grows into a fetus and placenta. Then, to term, a baby is born. So no, Je, there are no “children in the womb.”

            I’m not here to debate abortion with you. I’ve never had one, and have been fortunate enough medically to have delivered two healthy babies, 4 years apart, who grew into two healthy adult men. But I wouldn’t think of telling other women what they should and should not do.

          • Je

            At 6 weeks gestation, those cells, with a complete and unique set of DNA, have a heartbeat, making it a living, valuable human. That understanding of when life begins is the demarcation: I think it’s a human, you don’t. Because I think it’s a human, I don’t believe anyone has a right to take that child’s life.

            I am glad you had two healthy boys, or rather young men now. But let me speculate; if a fetus is not a baby until it is delivered at term, as you stated, if one of your boys had been delivered at 23 weeks, a time when more and more babies are able to survive, would you have made any effort to save him? I highly suspect that, as a mom, instead of killing him you would have insisted on life-saving efforts because he was, and is, a living, valued, loved human child.

            I understand we will not change each other’s ideologies but I do wish peace.

          • raisinbread

            I, personally, would always make the greatest effort I can to save any life growing inside me. But, I understand that I have that luxury to choose. Not all women do. I am also one of those women who would, if raped, keep the resulting baby. I also understand that not all women would be able to mentally handle that, and she should be afforded that right as long as it’s well before the first trimester is up.

            However, to make it a LAW that a woman must carry a pregnancy to term is just wrong. I don’t see it as “murdering a child” as long as it’s done within the first few weeks only. But see that’s where it gets tricky. Because there ARE so many different medical things that can go wrong, we MUST allow a doctor and pregnant woman to make these decisions between them, without any one else’s input. it simply is not their business.

            I wish you piece, too. And i hope you never have to get an abortion. But if you do, I hope the law is on your side.

          • Je

            Oh goodness, sister, if I got pregnant again at is stage in my life it would be a medical miracle! Can’t be birthing my own grandchildren- hahaha!

          • raisinbread

            Haha… at 54 and still menstruating, I technically could… but lawd no… I’m happy with my grands!

          • Suzu M

            Good grief. Stand down. Your comments are ridiculous and are not helping your cause.

          • Je

            Oh raisinbread (deep sigh, sad head shaking), Pro-lifers do not believe in killing unborn babies. The Catholic church officially does not believe in the use of birth control but many pro-lifers are not Catholic. I am pro-life and used birth control to, ya know, prevent having a baby when I didn’t want to. No one believes in ignorance, shaming, or blaming because they aren’t a very effective method of birth control.

          • Donna Lenz

            I’m pro life but more so pro personal responsibility, i.e. birth control and better judgment. Why should I pay for your “mistake”. If people took more responsibility and were not so careless with their sexual practices, there would be a whole lot less abortions. It’s best not to generalize, it doesn’t help your case.

          • Suzu M

            hm. No, not every Pro-Lifer does not believe in birth control. We DO believe, (I think I can safely speak for all), that Planned Parenthood and other abortion promoters/supporters, let women live in IGNORANCE. They deny that women have other choices. They deny access to prenatal care. They deny the truth about their baby’s development. They deny support to women who choose to keep their babies. (all of which were confessed by former PP employees. WE didn’t say it, THEY did.) We believe that PP SHAMES women into believing they can’t afford to raise their baby or are not in a ‘good enough place’ to raise a baby. (as confessed by former PP employees).
            And I also believe that PP BLAMES Pro-Lifers in interfering with their business as usual. The business of selling abortions, the business of population and race control and the business of body-part harvesting.
            That’s where the ‘ignorance, shaming, and blaming’ comes in.

        • Texpal

          There is no way anyone can justify the fact that with Planned Parenthood providing abortions, that the Federal Funds are not supplementing those abortions. Try to spin it anyway you want, but the truth is that my tax dollars are going to the abortion mills….

    • Je
  • Lori

    Raisinbread, it sounds like you are the one “shaming and blaming” anyone that doesn’t agree with you.

    • raisinbread

      No, just trying to set a few facts straight. What’s the problem?

    • prem

      Nothing wrong with having some shame when you support a shameful position. The opposite is called “being shameless” and that isn’t exactly a compliment.

      Just to be clear: I am Pro-Life and I find the pro-choice position a shamelessly, narcissistic position to hold.

  • Morgan Faust
    • raisinbread

      Yes, exactly. But, this is a pro-life site, so their agenda is to stop abortions.

      This line in their piece is also inaccurate:

      “The American people also overwhelmingly reject taxpayer funding of abortion.”

      • Suzu M

        Well, THIS American person overwhelmingly REJECTS taxpayer funding of abortion.

        Make sure that statement doesn’t get twisted in whatever form of media you use, okay?

  • Kt Kathleen

    bottom line- if you are pro choice you are supporting the dismemberment of unborn babies. If that is ok with you- you are inhumane